cutting medicare, medicaid is is not popular. in fact, much of the election was over each side trying to convince the american people that it was the other side that wanted to go after medicare specifically. >> yes, absolutely. >> so now we have to do something about the cost of medicare but no one wants to be the first person to come out and say, we're taking the scissors and -- >> giving no specifics, are they hoping it's boehner, hoping that the democrats will come back with a more conservative proposal, or is he wanting them to say something so he can just disagree with whatever it is? >> i think it depends on what we think it is that the president is hoping for. the fact is, the president could go over this fiscal cliff and at least politically for him there's not a lot of cost to it. there's some real cost to american families and particularly to the most vulnerable. the president from that position may certainly be trying to pull us back from it. but politically there's no reason not to head over. yes, you'll see your taxe